I just started taking a new Bible study class 3 weeks ago. Tonight’s class got the gears turning inside my head so much I decided to write about it.
The verses we studied in tonight’s class were John 14:15-24
This is the NIV version
15 “If you love me, keep my commands. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19 Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20 On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21 Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”
22 Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?”
23 Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. 24 Anyone who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me.
We talked about how in this scripture Jesus was telling His disciples that though He was leaving them, He was going to ask the Father give them another advocate, that advocate being the Holy Spirit.
A question that we pondered for quite some time was…
- Once we accept Jesus as our savior is the Holy Spirit with us forever? If we later would fall away from Jesus and say we do not believe in Him or do not love Him is the Holy Spirit still with us??
The people in the class seem to me to be a group of well seasoned Christians and since I am a new person to the class I struggle a bit with speaking up, I guess its the fear that I may be wrong? Though I am sure that in this class it would not matter if I was right or wrong because they all seem very nice and seem to respect each others opinions very well. I almost spoke up a few times but found myself keeping quiet. I still am not sure if we ever came to a conclusion or not but this is just what I think so what I am writing is what I most likely would have said had I the courage to open my mouth.
First thing I notice is that Jesus says the word ‘if’, I think the scripture could be taken in the way that says if we keep his commands and love him only then will the Holy Spirit be with us forever…BUT what if we don’t keep his commands and love him? Will the Holy Spirit then leave us?
I personally think that the part that says ‘He will give you another advocate to Help you and be with you forever’ means forever no matter what and this is why I think that. I think that the key words here are ‘help you’ . Remember I am a person who has not always walked with Jesus.
A long time ago I tried to do the “church thing” though I never really understood it. I even felt moved to be saved, I went forward during a church service a long time ago and I accepted Jesus as my savior. I even got Baptized but unfortunately I did not really understand what it all meant and I eventually fell away from church and God. I then spent a lot of years being angry and saying I did not believe in God.
- Did I not receive the Holy Spirit when I went forward? I did not know what the Holy Spirit was at that time, but something nudged me to go forward, I am thinking that was the Holy Spirit.
- Did I believe in Jesus at the time? Yes I did believe in Jesus.
- Do I think that after I fell away from God the Holy Spirit left me? No I don’t. Just like the scripture says Jesus sent another advocate to help me and be with me forever. So I think that even though I fell away and said I did not believe in God, the Holy Spirit stayed with me. He stayed right here with me as my advocate, waiting for just the right moment to show me that God was real and help me find my way, that was the night I saw my father in law go to heaven… (click to read that story here)
Then the Holy Spirit began to nudge me to act on that newly found knowledge that God was real.
He then nudged me to pick up and read a daily devotional book that gradually led me look up stuff in the Bible which in turn caused a lot of Bible reading.
Then gradually he nudged me that it was time to find a church. I would go to churches but then I would chicken out from going in the buildings. I remember sitting in the parking lot of the church I now belong to, trying to get the courage to go in and hearing this voice in my head telling me I was not alone to go on in. That was the Holy Spirit again being my advocate. When I felt so paralyzed with fear that I could not move He helped me get out of my car and walk in the building.
One Sunday about a month after attending the church I belong to now the pastor’s sermon was on the Holy Spirit. He also did a baptism that day and then afterwards offered that anyone who wanted to could come up and dip their fingers in the water to remember their own baptisms. I can’t remember the pastors exact words or even much of the sermon but I do remember feeling so emotional as I was realizing what I had missed at my first Baptism and then I felt the nudging and the word “Go”. I stood up, went to the front and dipped my fingers in the water. As I put the water on my face a feeling of peace came washing over me and I knew I was finally back where I belonged in my Saviors Arms.
Do I think the Holy Spirit stays with us forever? Yes I do. The Holy spirit is my advocate, he stood up for me when I could not stand up for myself, He came to my rescue to nudge me back into the right direction. God loved me even when I was denying Him. He sent me Jesus. Jesus died for my sins and He sent me an advocate in the Holy Spirit, the advocate who is with me forever because Jesus sent him. I finally after all these years do know who I am when I am in Christ.
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